Why don’t neoconservatives, who support American-style liberty and democracy abroad, support liberty at home?

When commenting on Patterico’s Pontifications, I am styled “The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana”, since one of his main writers is named Dana.

The site host was previously a Republican, and certainly a conservative, but he left the GOP when Donald Trump started to make headway toward the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, and became one of the #NeverTrumpers. His dislike of our 45th President has been apparent from the start, and he wanted Mr Trump not just impeached, but removed from office.

Patterico has been vocal in advocating that people get vaccinated against COVID-19, and I agree: they should. But this I did not expect from him:

I have previously noted how neoconservatives Max Boot and Bill Kristol, upset that not as many people as they believe should have have freely chosen to take the COVID-19 vaccines, have urged making vaccination mandatory.

When Patterico tweeted:

We may get to a point where the big debate becomes: why on Earth didn’t we institute more coercive measures on the unvaccinated in July 2021, when we could have stopped COVID before it mutated beyond the vaccines’ capacity to immunize people against it?

he has not precisely stated, as Messrs Boot and Kristol have, that he believes that vaccination should be mandatory, but one wonders: just what does he mean by “more coercive measures”?

A clue, I suppose, comes from his retweet from Allahpundit, who referenced yet another #NeverTrumper, David Frum, and his article in The Atlantic:

    Vaccinated America Has Had Enough

    In the United States, this pandemic could be almost over by now. The reasons it’s still going are pretty clear.

    By David Frum | July 23, 2021

    In the United States, this pandemic could’ve been over by now, and certainly would’ve been by Labor Day. If the pace of vaccination through the summer had been anything like the pace in April and May, the country would be nearing herd immunity. With most adults immunized, new and more infectious coronavirus variants would have nowhere to spread. Life could return nearly to normal.

The article title itself practically drips with contempt: “Vaccinated America has had enough.” With that, the distinguished Mr Frum, an urbanite who lives in Washington, DC, and Wellington, Ontario, tells his readers that “vaccinated America” and he are just better than the riff-raff who have decided against it.

    Experts list many reasons for the vaccine slump, but one big reason stands out: vaccine resistance among conservative, evangelical, and rural Americans. Pro-Trump America has decided that vaccine refusal is a statement of identity and a test of loyalty.

Or, perhaps, they have decided that they just don’t trust government very much. Such used to be commonplace among conservatives. Actually, it’s pretty commonplace among liberals as well . . . when conservatives are in power. Conservative states have been tightening up election security, but the left see that not as insuring against election fraud, but as trying to prevent some citizens from voting at all. And the left certainly distrusted government during President Trump’s four years in office!

Naturally, I cannot quote all of Mr Frum’s article; that would violate Fair Use standards. Suffice it to say that he spends the next three paragraphs telling us of all of the evils and sorrows the vaccine hesitant and conservative politicians have spread throughout conservative states.

    Reading about the fates of people who refused the vaccine is sorrowful. But as summer camp and travel plans are disrupted—as local authorities reimpose mask mandates that could have been laid aside forever—many in the vaccinated majority must be thinking: Yes, I’m very sorry that so many of the unvaccinated are suffering the consequences of their bad decisions. I’m also very sorry that the responsible rest of us are suffering the consequences of their bad decisions.

There it is again: Mr Frum is telling his readers that he is just so much smarter than those with reservations, that those who have not been willing to take the vaccine are irresponsible. As I have pointed out previously, insulting people, telling them that they are stupid, might not be the best approach to get them to buy what you are trying to sell.

    As cases uptick again, as people who have done the right thing face the consequences of other people doing the wrong thing, the question occurs: Does Biden’s America have a breaking point? Biden’s America produces 70 percent of the country’s wealth—and then sees that wealth transferred to support Trump’s America. Which is fine; that’s what citizens of one nation do for one another. Something else they do for one another: take rational health-care precautions during a pandemic. That reciprocal part of the bargain is not being upheld.

And here I thought that Mr Frum was supposed to be a conservative! Now he’s using the leftist argument that the liberals support conservatives. Well, Philadelphia might seem more productive, with its inflated prices for everything, and their 2020 voting pattern (81.44% for Mr Biden vis a vis 17.90% for President Trump), than Estill County, Kentucky, where I live, (77.98% for Mr Trump, 20.72% for Mr Biden) but we sure don’t kill each other the way they do in the City of Brotherly Love! We don’t have to surround our homes with iron bars to keep the criminals out!

    Can governments lawfully require more public-health cooperation from their populations? They regularly do, for other causes. More than a dozen conservative states have legislated drug testing for people who seek cash welfare. It is bizarre that Florida and other states would put such an onus on the poorest people in society—while allowing other people to impose a much more intimate and immediate harm on everybody else. The federal government could use its regulatory and spending powers to encourage vaccination in the same way that Ron DeSantis has used his executive powers to discourage it. The Biden administration could require proof of vaccination to fly or to travel by interstate train or bus. It could mandate that federal contractors demonstrate that their workforces are vaccinated. It could condition federal student loans on proof of vaccination. Those measures might or might not be wise policy: Inducements are usually more effective at changing individual behavior than penalties are. But they would be feasible and legal—and they would spread the message about what people ought to do, in the same way that sanctions against drunk driving, cheating on taxes, and unjust discrimination in the workplace do.

Mr Frum, like Patterico, is an attorney, and just loves him some ways of forcing people to comply. No, he didn’t say, “Make the vaccines mandatory,” but wants to try to regulate the non-compliant into poverty. And Mr Frum wonders why some people wouldn’t trust the government!

    In the end, the unvaccinated person himself or herself has decided to inflict a preventable and unjustifiable harm upon family, friends, neighbors, community, country, and planet.

And here we see the urbanist liberal argument again: that those who are doing nothing wrong — say, by owning a firearm even if they have never shot anyone — simply by living their lives as they see fit, are still guilty, guilty, guilty! of hurting other people. Mr Frum does not, and cannot, know whether any particular unvaccinated person has contracted the virus and then spread it to “family, friends, neighbors, community, country, and planet.” He simply assumes that all are guilty. Yet, at least here in the Bluegrass State, the Fayette County Health Department, in the Commonwealth’s second largest city, reported that 24.3% of all new COVID cases in July were “breakthrough” cases, instances in which vaccinated people still contracted the virus.

I look at people like David Frum and Max Boot and Bill Kristol, neoconservatives who supported American intervention to bring American-style liberty and democracy to places which were not liberal Western democracies,[1]Mr Frum was a speechwriter and assistant to the younger President Bush in 2001 and 2002, in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq. yet don’t seem to support liberty here at home.

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1 Mr Frum was a speechwriter and assistant to the younger President Bush in 2001 and 2002, in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq.
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4 thoughts on “Why don’t neoconservatives, who support American-style liberty and democracy abroad, support liberty at home?

  1. You jump to far too many conclusions to produce dreck like this. The only contempt shown is by you for anyone who points out that people refusing to get vaccinated because they think there are microchips in the vaccines or that they will get brain cancer are creating greater risks for the rest of society by increasing the likelihood of new variants spawning that do not respond to the vaccines. It’s not about your personal liberty; it’s about protecting the population from preventable diseases. This nonsense that requiring vaccination is an infringement on personal liberty is total nonsense. We’ve all been subject to vaccination requirements for everything from public schools to employment to travel. It’s not some sinister slippery slope to Gomorrah.

    Personally, if someone who refused to get vaccinated gets Covid, they should have to shoulder all the costs associated with it–no insurance should cover it.

    • Mrs King wrote:

      The only contempt shown is by you for anyone who points out that people refusing to get vaccinated because they think there are microchips in the vaccines or that they will get brain cancer are creating greater risks for the rest of society by increasing the likelihood of new variants spawning that do not respond to the vaccines.

      That’s a rather humorous way of you saying that anyone “refusing to get vaccinated because they think there are microchips in the vaccines or that they will get brain cancer” is stupid.

      are creating greater risks for the rest of society by increasing the likelihood of new variants spawning that do not respond to the vaccines.

      Really?

      About one-fifth of the new COVID-19 cases in Lexington in July occurred in vaccinated people, according to new data from the Lexington-Fayette County Health Department.

      Those so-called “breakthrough” cases had accounted for less than 1 percent of Lexington’s reported infections until the last few weeks. In May, less than 10 percent of the month’s cases were breakthrough infections. In June, that number increased to almost 15 percent.

      This month, about 19.5 percent of all cases have been in people fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to the health department.

      That was based on last week’s numbers. This week, the numbers jumped again:

      The number of “breakthrough” cases, or cases in which a vaccinated person gets infected, have increased in recent months. Breakthrough cases have accounted for about 24.3 percent of cases in July, according to the health department.

      Same newspaper, reporting on numbers from the same health department. At least of the people who tested positive, 24.3% of them were vaccinated. In Lexington, a college town of 330,000 people, with a fully vaccination rate of 56.1%, a quarter of the positive tests are fully vaccinated, and that percentage has been rising steadily. And if the vaccines do make symptoms milder in those who contract the virus, it would seem likely — at least to me — that the Health Department would see a lower percentage of vaccinated people who are actually positive simply because a lower percentage would feel the need to get tested.

      Indeed, if the month to date numbers jumped from 19.5% to 24.3% in just a week, it means that 38.7% of the new cases that last week were ‘breakthrough’ infections.

    • Mrs King wrote:

      It’s not about your personal liberty; it’s about protecting the population from preventable diseases. This nonsense that requiring vaccination is an infringement on personal liberty is total nonsense.

      Why am I remembering that silly line from Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”?

      Your logic is the logic of socialism, that our rights must be subjugated to the the greater good of society, which has always meant, inevitably, the wishes of the State. There was a time, no longer in living memory but still within American history, when some people were considered not people, but property, and to continue that system was for the greater good of society.

      We’ve all been subject to vaccination requirements for everything from public schools to employment to travel. It’s not some sinister slippery slope to Gomorrah.

      There have been many things to which we have been subject in the past that we now know to be violations of our individual rights, and vaccinations have been one of them. I agree that those vaccinations have been universally a good thing, but we now recognize that some people have objections to them, and that such objections are within their rights.

      Personally, if someone who refused to get vaccinated gets Covid, they should have to shoulder all the costs associated with it–no insurance should cover it.

      One could suggest that about many things: would you ban insurance from covering diseases or damage caused by smoking? How about alcohol usage? Obesity? Not keeping your diabetes under control?

      Which of those would you deny coverage?

  2. Frankly, Frum shot his wad back in the oughts when he tried to read people like Jerry Pournelle out of polite society because they would not cheer Dubya’s invasion of Iraq. There were good reasons not to go into Iraq, but Frum was far to limited mentally to see what they were. Pete Dupont cheered Frum on, and Dupont went into a richly deserved oblivion not long after.

    King is your standard moron who is unable to think critically. It is known for example, there are no microships in the fake vaccines. There are nanoparticles that are probably dangerous by themselves. The mRNA, however, is simply an experiment and the people who voluntarily take the jab are making themselves guinea pigs. If one is informed, and able to think critically, then one rejects an experimental “vaccine” because of the dangers it represents.

    The point can not be overemphasized, that what is being pushed as a vaccine is not. It is an experimental gene therapy that sets your body to manufacture the very thing that is most dangerous about covid – the spike protein.

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